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Fitzpatrick charged with murder following victim's passing

Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Chris Fitzpatrick
Chris Fitzpatrick, 21, of Spencer, is now facing a class A felony charge of first degree murder following the death of 59-year-old Edward Kitto on Saturday at a Sioux Falls hospital.

Fitzpatrick was initially charged with willful injury, a class C felony, for his alleged role in an early morning beating on Aug. 28. A class B felony charge of first degree robbery was added Aug. 30.

Kitto, of Ruthven, was found unresponsive in the 500 block of East Third Street and never regained consciousness, according to Spencer Police Chief Mark Lawson.

A Sept. 24 arraignment was scheduled for Fitzpatrick, who has been held in the Clay County Jail since Aug. 29.

Clay County Attorney Mike Houchins explained the parameters of first degree murder.

"There are two separate charges of first degree murder," Houchins said. "One is premeditated murder. The second is what they call felony murder. If you're participating in a burglary and somebody dies, that is called first degree murder. ... When we charge first degree murder, it encompasses both varieties."

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Lock him up and throw away the key. What an idiot. We need to make an example out of this man.

-- Posted by DOWNWITHDEMS on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 8:13 AM

I hesitate to make an example of a 21 year old who acted on impulse, apparently. Kitto, may he rest in peace, probably had 15-20 good years left of his life. No, it should not have been beaten from him, and no, we don't want to set a precedent of shorter sentences for killing an older person. However, if Kitto had 15 years taken from him, is it truly justice for Fitzpatrick to have a half century or more taken from him?

He didn't wake up and decide, "I want to kill that guy." It was a confrontation that ended badly. No, we don't want him to go off scot free. There is a balance, though, and in that balance is restorative justice. How will the community be better if Fitzpatrick becomes a ghost in a lockdown cell?

-- Posted by AmyPeterson on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:12 AM


How forgiving you are. If this was your uncle or father and they literally were beaten to death over nothing would you be such a saint?

"A confrontation ended badly"??!!...it was MURDER.Mr Kitto was left lying in the dirt after getting his head bashed in.

This is no place for pretty words, no talk of 'balance',and worries that our community will be a worse place if this monster doesn't get sent to jail for life (which he deserves!!)

I can usually ignore some of your flowery, "do-good" comments on here from you...but there is NOTHING you can say to justify this murder or the brutality of this crime.

Lock the murderer up and let's forget about him. Thoughts and prayers to Mr Kitto's family in his sad, untimely death.

-- Posted by claycountyforever on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:33 AM

Someone who beat someone so badly they become a vegetable, and their first instinct is to pull the body around back and steal his money, all because you were called a name, isn't just someone who "overreacted" and deserves pity. Especially this is true if one knows about how he was before all this happened-often in spats over drinking or drugs, or threatening to people who confronted him over noise while he was drunk, suspected by many who knew him in several instances where things ended up "missing" or stolen at their houses or after parties and often with evidence to back up those assumptions. People can say he was this "good kid" and "kindhearted" but actions are what people are judged on and he deserves whatever punishment he gets for this and likely then some.

-- Posted by jlees on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 10:15 AM

We are completely wrong to condem this person without more information. He is in the USA and should not be judged by the overreacting and misinformed. I, like most of us, know almost nothing about the details in this tragedy. Two people got into it over stupid stuff! Both were out of line, most likely, from what I have put together. Drinking is no excuse for behaving badly, it is also the reason many situations end up this way. Probably either one of these people could have been in the others shoes when it all ended, just remember it takes two to fight, and there may have been more involved, we do not know yet. Please save your judgment of others until you know the facts.

-- Posted by A. View Point on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 11:11 AM

I believe that this awful act does deserve punishment, obviously. But I believe ALL that were involved should be punished. From what's I've heard, there are several people involved. They were man enough to be involved in the situation but now, not man enough to step forward.....they will let their "friend" take the fall for everything. If that is true, I hope someone steps forward. There is obviously more to the story than we know. I just hope the whole truth comes out.

-- Posted by boxergirl on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 12:36 PM

A. View Point, you are right, we can't condemn a person without knowing the facts. If the facts prove guilt, we need to hold the person accountable for their actions. It seems as though it has become acceptable to make bad decisions and expect to be let off with a hand slap.

-- Posted by Culture Warrior on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM

@A. View Point - He was charged with murder. In order for a prosecuter to charges someone with a crime, they must have probable cause. This means there was probable cause to charge him with murder. Probable cause is "a reasonable amount of suspicion, supported by circumstances sufficiently strong to justify a prudent and cautious person's belief that certain facts are probably true." (From Black's Law Dictionary).

Since authorities had probable cause to charge him with murder, a prudent and cautious person would believe that whatever facts authorites have surrounding the death are probabley true.

Thus, I don't think people are "completely wrong" to condemn him. The condemnation is based on the fact that there was enough evidence to charge this man with murder.

-- Posted by Sony on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 12:54 PM

I wonder if Christopher Fitzpatrick has ever seen anyone die before? My first time was Sat. when I watched Ed Kitto struggle to take his last breath of air. Despite the tears and overwhelming sadness I felt.....I was ANGRY. SO ANGRY that I wanted nothing more than to have Fitzpatrick there in that room ,witnessing, in broad daylight what he so readily ran away from in the darkness.

I wanted to watch Fitzpatricks face while the blood drained from Ed's face leaving a pasty white shell of a man behind for his family.

I wanted to see if there was any remorse.....not the kind of remorse you feel because you've been locked up for two weeks and realizing you may never walk free again. I mean the kind of remorse that makes you want to PUKE because you can't believe what you've done to this man.

If I could have seen that then I would know if this kid is worth saving or if he's just another sociopath that doesn't deserve to live either.

-- Posted by eye for an eye on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 2:59 PM

Anyone that can justify that this man shouldn't get life in prison for killing a man just because the victim was an older man and "only had 15 to 20 years to live anyways" is just a sick in the head as the person that did this! I really dont care what the "reason" was behind why he beat a man to death the facts are the facts! A man is dead and his family has to grieve over this pointless act of violence!!!

-- Posted by LadyLove on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 4:00 PM

I won't comment on my opinion of the situation... from the stories that are circulating and the charges against this man, i do not have anything nice to say so will say nothing at all. However, i am wondering if anyone has funeral or memorial details for the victim. i have not seen any announced. i can only imagine there is family that will face unexpected expenses in putting their loved one to rest.. there may be some of us in the community who would like to contribute. Even if there is a memorial fund set up at a bank or something, plesae let the public know. There are a lot of people in the community with big hearts and have compassion and sympathy for this man who's life was cut short and also for his family and friends.

-- Posted by Spencer Lifer on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 4:46 PM

I just want to start off by saying that my deepest sympathies go out to the family and friends of the victim. I want everyone to know that Chris is actually a very nice young man. He has a huge heart that is very kind. I have known Chris every since early elementary. We shared a close bond which over the years grew farther apart, but nonetheless, still was nice to me whenever we crossed paths and talked. Yes, he has had his fair share of struggles in the past, but one is not defined by that. I still know him very well, and know that he didn't act alone that night. I do in fact know that he is the type of person that will take the fall for his friends even if they are letting him take the whole punishment. I know that he probably feels deep remorse for what happened, and I am sure that things didn't go down the way he wanted them to. I think he is just a young man stuck in the rut of a small town. He is very capable of big things. Do I think that he deserves life in prison? No. I do truly hope that he comes clean about that night and informs the PD of who else was involved. I have spent some time visiting a prison church a few times and I once met a man in Chris' position. He was the same age and everything. He had gone out for his 21st birthday, gotten drunk, and beat a man to death all because he thought the man had broken into his apartment. Was it right what he did? No. That is why he was sentenced to prison. In the last year he has since been released because of good behavior and further review of the case. He was released into a halfway house where he then made it through that back into society. One night can change your life, but it doesn't define one person. This man wasn't a bad man. He just made a poor, drunken choice and paid his dues for it. I think everyone needs to ease up on Chris a bit and try to pray for him and pray that the truth comes out and pray that he understands fully the consequences of his actions and how he will have to pay for them. I know you would want people to be kind if it was your son, brother, father or friend. So just keep that in mind. Thank you for your time.

-- Posted by JustForTheRecord on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 5:20 PM

No sympathy here!

-- Posted by carrae on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 5:28 PM

I do understand where Amy is coming from in that from what I understand this wasn't a predertermined thing that this kid planned to do that day. But with that being said I do also think he needs to have consequences for the actions that did happen. Prayers are also due to Fitz and his family! I understand where people think Fitz doesn't deserve "pity" but I personally feel as a christian him and his family deserve prayers as well!

boxergirl- I agree completely

Spencer Lifer- I was wondering the same thing. If you find out any info would you please share?

JustForTheRecord- I understand what you are saying, but don't feel that the little bit he has been in jail has allowed him to "pay his dues". Not sure that I can justify the rest of one persons life for a few days of anothers.

-- Posted by AshlyMeyer on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 6:08 PM

So if this was your father that was killed would you think the same way Ashly and Amy..... I BET NOT it is easy when u dont know the person. This monster killed a man do u think he went fast with no pain i bet not, I bet he felt a lot of pain being beat to the end of his life. How do you know Amy how long he would live are you god you have know clue how long that man would of lived.To give him a break come on he killed a man would anyone want that living next to them. How do you know he wouldnt do it again he did it once. He needs (IF FOUND GUITY BY A JURY OF HIS PEERS ) to be locked up for the remander of his life....I hope and pray that our legal system does there job and finds him guilty.... and puts him away. Nobody seems to care about the older man and wow he should be let out cause he was older... damn i am older does that mean i can be beat to death and a young punk can get off be cause i am older wise up......... Mayby this will tell people that fight this may happen to them......

-- Posted by a colt fan on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 6:48 PM

To Spencer Lifer......

We plan on having a Memorial service at Warner Funeral Home in Spencer when Ed's body is released from the Iowa medical examiners office in DesMoines. That should be soon, then we will announce when the memorial service will be.

We are trying to come up with $$ to bring his son up from NC for the service so any donations would be a blessing.

If you are interested you can email me at Maddmax4224@hotmail.com

-- Posted by eye for an eye on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 7:46 PM

who are you to say how many years someone has to live? Easy to judge someone that no one has heard his statement. When everything is over and done with I hope you all realize how quick you are to judge someone when you don't know if anyone else was involve or any othet details. I also thinks it's funny how you all hide behind your sign in names so no one judges you about your opinons.

-- Posted by Robert Broadhead on Tue, Sep 11, 2012, at 9:01 PM

Everybody is angry about this situation. I can fully understand why, because it was wrong and fitz should get punished, but not with the way he is. I know the facts, I know it wasn't premeditated to beat him up, and i know he had no intention on killing him. So to get 1st degree murder seems a bit of a stretch dont you think? If anything, manslaughter would be his best bet. I can also assure you, he wasn't the only one involved. It was a mistake that cost him his life on the outside, while costing the life of another person. I think it's sad for both families, i pray that each find peace in this horrible tragedy. But justice isn't served. There's still more people involved that are on the loose. That's my 2 cents.

-- Posted by thetruthwillberevealed on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 9:13 AM

Good to know about the arrangements pending. Everyone on this board is very passionate about this topic one way or another. The people who are angry and sympathetic to the vicim and his family should consider emailing the person listed above since they said the family is trying to put money together to get this man's son home for the service. I don't know Mr. Kitto personally.. i have no idea whether or not he did anything that people think may have provoked the confrontation. Most of us will never know all the details and even those who think they know, may not have the full truth. Either way, Mr. Kitto is evidently someone's father, maybe brother, uncle, son, friend... these people who have to deal with the aftermath are victims as well. Send a card to Warner Funeral home if they announce services there if you feel so moved to help this family. None of us can lessen the pain of losing a loved one, especially to such a violent crime, but possibly we can pull together as a community and lessen the burden financially on this family. Like i said, i do not know Mr. Kitto or his family, but from what i have heard he was a person with limited resources which means the survivors will be left with a burden. Also... to Mr. Kitto's family.. please look at this website http://www.iowa.gov/government/ag/helpin...

there are funds available in Iowa to help victims of violent crimes. I am not sure what exepenses your family has encountered but i suspect some of them may be covered. Just check it out.

On a sidenote, no offense but to all of you posting that Chris did not act alone, there were others involved, the truth will come out... wouldn't your time be more wisely spent making that information avaialable to law enforcement than writing on the comments section?

-- Posted by Spencer Lifer on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 10:41 AM

I agree with Spencer Lifer after reading thetruthwillberevealed's comments. I have heard lots different opinions on what has happened and from hearsay have my own thoughts on the whole situation. I am not one to get one here and voice them especially because I do not have any clue on facts and what has happened. SO IF thetruthwillberevealed does know for sure 100% facts and there were others involved or acted with Chris then maybe the law should be told. If you strongly feel that Chris is getting to harsh of a punishment then I think your voice should be brought to their attention rather than stating you know facts with a name of thetruthwillberevealed....Step up and do the right thing if you have not done already. (because maybe you have)

We as curious citizens may never know the true true story nor do we Need to, but if someone does, let the right people know so the right things are done to the right people.

-- Posted by thoughtsfromme on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 12:07 PM

a colt fan- I think you are misunderstanding anything I have written. You may want to reread. I have never said that what was done by Fitz was ok by any means, but yes I will continue to pray for him and his family anyway. To sit and say I wish a 21 year old death just isn't in me as a christian but if you read I have always said that I feel he needs to face consequences of his actions. I think you are letting your anger cloud your perception of what people are saying in their posts. Please take a minute to regroup and reread what has been said.

eye for an eye- Thank you for sharing the info! I will pass it along if that is ok.

thetruthwillberevealed- thats what I have been trying to say. from what I have read so far I also don't believe it was premedated, but I KNOW he needs to serve come kind of consequences for what happened. I also feel everyone else that was involved needs to man up and also suffer consequences instead of hiding like a bunch of cowards and making this kid take the fall for all of it! I also don't like to know that those people are still out here doing as they please and will maybe do it again and find yet another person to take the fall for it.

thoughtsfromme - exactly

-- Posted by AshlyMeyer on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 12:55 PM

Everyone is so quick to judge...put yourself in Chris's and his familys shoes. Nobody whos posted knows the whole story..everyone just reads news reports and think they know what happened. Chris is a great kid and made a horrible mistake that night.. I know there has to be more people involved and I believe with all my hart that chris would never to something like that without another influence...so all you people reading the news and thinking you know what happened just shut it! Small town gossip makes this so much worse...how about everyone just stops and the truth will eventully come out...my thoughs go out to Chris's family..I bet none of you know what they have been feeling the past couple weeks..

-- Posted by the great debate on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 1:01 PM

I am still very hurt & angry about Ed's demise but I am also the mother of a 21yr old son. I can't imagine what Chris's parents & family are feeling.....I can't even bring myself to think about it. No matter how you look at it this has been a terrible,terrible tragedy & has had an impact on many lives.

To anyone who has any influence on Chris......tell him if there were others involved that he should not take the fall for them. If he has to pay then they should pay too.


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-- Posted by eye for an eye on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 1:31 PM

@AshlyMeyer - As the story indicates, 1st degree murder does not necessarily require premeditation. Felony murder is an interesting concept. Typically it is used in situations where two or more people commit a felony together. For example: Person A and Person B rob a convenience store (a felony). Person A shoots and kills the clerk. Person B can be charged with 1st degree murder because the death happened during the course of your robbery.

Interesting twist in this case could be if they got into a fight and Chris had no intention to rob the guy until after the fight, felony murder is much more difficult to prove (i.e. the death didn't stem from Chris perpetuating a felony). Might knock it down to manslaughter.

In any event, the odds that a jury hears this case is pretty small. A huge percentage of of these homicide cases plea out before trial.

-- Posted by Sony on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 4:19 PM

The fact that I'm sorry for the family of Mr. Kitto, horrified that Mr. Fitzgerald, or really anyone, could do such a thing, and that I know nothing about either man except what I have heard, has nothing to do with restorative justice. I guess with my parents dying at 47 and 63, I think 57 is a long life span. But again, it's hard to lose a loved one at any age, and as I said before, older people are not of lesser value than younger.

I really will try to be brief:

I'm talking about Restorative Justice. It focuses on the needs of the victims and the offenders, as well as the involved community, instead of satisfying abstract legal principles or punishing the offender. *Victims* take an active role in the process, while offenders are encouraged to take responsibility for their actions, "to repair the harm they've done--by apologizing, returning stolen money, or community service". (from Dr. Howard Zehr on his RJ blog)

Restorative justice involves both victim and offender and focuses on their personal needs. It is based on a theory of justice that considers crime and wrongdoing to be an offense against an individual or community, rather than the state. Restorative justice that fosters dialogue between victim and offender shows the highest rates of victim satisfaction and offender accountability.

What that means is that victims lose their voice in courtrooms. The only focus is on the criminal in court. I'm not saying he should not go to court. I'm saying it won't do the community any good, really.

-- Posted by AmyPeterson on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 5:05 PM

As you said you don't know anything about the case or the people involved so you really should keep your opinions to your self about restorative justice. I don't know how you lost your parents, but I am sure you would not feel this way if one of them were beaten to death like this poor man was. How you can sit there and say that him not going to court will not help the community is just wrong. It is helping the community by getting a person off the streets who will snap in a second. Thank about the children that don't know how to hold there tongues. What if they said the wrong thing in front of him and he beat them so badly they never recovered or died from it bet it would be a different store then

-- Posted by woundedva on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 6:34 PM

I still think its way out of line that only this story is making the news so Chris can be viewed as some evil monster (which he's not). I have yet to see the other bar fight story make the front page news.. And from what I have heard that man also passed away. Why is everyone so focused on this story, so quick to post negative remarks about Chris without knowing all.the details? Lord willing if this does go to trial..none of you are on the jury..

-- Posted by KJC89 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 9:40 PM

And for everyone saying what if this was your dad or your uncle you wouldnt feel the same... Would YOU feel the same about locking him up for life is he was your brother, son, nephew???? Probably not. Right?

-- Posted by KJC89 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 9:46 PM

And woundedav... Really? Now hes going to snap and beat up children??? Does anyone read their comments before they post them??? Children say things completely off the wall. A little boy asked my boyfriend why his skin was that color one day when we were at the park.. And he nicely explained by saying 'Thats how God made me'... Children say some of these things because their parents are truley ignorant and raise their children this way... No grow. Person is going to beat a child up for using a racial slur... They will explain why you dont say those things.

-- Posted by KJC89 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 9:52 PM


-- Posted by KJC89 on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 9:52 PM

KJC89, so you post that nobody should comment because "they don't know the details", yet you claim you "heard" the other guy in the bar fight passed away as well. Well, either he did or he didn't, but I would assume it would be in this paper by now had he passed away. So it seems to me you don't know the details either, but still chose to comment, just like everyone else.

-- Posted by Dick Butkus on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 10:08 PM

For what ever it's worth, the other gentleman has not passed away. and KJC89, you shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

-- Posted by 2_Blue_Star_Mom on Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 10:42 PM

Hey, I have been reading the comments on the articles here every day and I didn't want to comment before now, no matter how mad some of the comments made me. Ed Kitto, the man who passed away was my Father. Anyone who knew the extent of the injuries my Dad suffered would want this guy locked up no matter what was said. If the attacker was offended by anything that was said, he could have probaly punched my Dad in the face and walked away. Most likely, that would have been the end of it. He took things way farther than he should have. I understand that people say more people were involved, so if you want this guy to look like a decent person, the best thing you can do is tell the authorities anything you know. eye for an eye- thanks for all you have done with this Ashly Meyer- Thanks for adding the voice of reason to the article comments I have read!

-- Posted by Kitto Jr on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 12:05 AM

So many of us have so much love for Chris.Calling him a monster is so ridiculous. Some of you people have no idea. Your ignorance is so apparent. He is 21 years old. he made a mistake but he didnt do it alone. Yes its very sad that the guy died and i can tell you Chris would never intentionally kill anyone. He is honestly an amazing person...was just in the wrong state of mind. I dont support what happened but I support Chris 100% & all you heartless people need to stop with the comments.

*Love and support to Chris and the family. Also my sympathy to the family of kito.

-- Posted by EmileeHanson14 on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 12:11 AM

I think it is time for all the comments to be removed...this is not helping anyone!

-- Posted by olmanhawk on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 8:34 AM

Im just saying this is the story that seems to be getting the most attention. Im glad that the other victim has not passed, and I hope he does recover. And apparently there is false news going around because I have heard that more than once.

-- Posted by KJC89 on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 8:51 AM

the great debate-If you would read there have indeed been a few of us that have thought about what chris's family is going through and included them and chris himself in our prayers. you are just as quick to judge others that are commenting. Alot of people have said that Chris was a good kid but that doesn't mean that what happened should be forgotten and no consequences should be given. you say that you know that Chris would never do what happened without another influence, which very well may be true, but in any case even with other influences this should not have happened the way it did. I find it sad though that you only seem to have sympathy for chris and his family and nothing for Mr. Kitto.

sony- I did see that there doesn't have to be premeditation for the charge. I just think people need to look at the situation and understand that it very much probably wasn't premeditated. As horrible as the situation is, some want to make this kid out to sound like a murderer that was just looking to kill someone that night or had it out for this man for awhile or something. Not that the lack of premeditation makes it any less serious. I am wondering if they have others that they will soon charge since they have gone with a 1st degree charge and that is usually used in the case with more than one offender.

Amy Peterson- I am interested in restorative justice but not sure how that would work in this case. Seems like it would only benefit Chris and not sure that many would support that.

woundedva- this is a blog, which is a place for us to post our opinions, not sure if you are aware of that. Obviously you are passionate about this case, as is many others, but I'm curious if you yourself never post your opinion on things you don't know the entire situation on. Fact is everyone forms opinions as they learn facts, happens hundreds of times a day. There is a way to disagree with someone without needing to get upset about it. I'm sure we can all TRY to put ourselves in the victims family's shoes and understand how devestated they must be. There is 2 sides to every story. And the justice system, whether people like it or not, does take offenders age into consideration. If he gets less than a life sentence they are going to be looking at the fact that he is young and will again be free at someone point and how they can help make sure this won't happen again when that time comes, and I believe that is what Amy Peterson was talking about. As far as Mr. Kittos age I don't believe that has much to do with how his charges are being handled. I do understand this should never had happened, I do understand that consequences need to be given. However I don't feel like someones first angry decision is the best way to decide what those consequences should be.

KJC89- I may be wrong but I assume that part of the reason this case has gotten more coverage or more comments is because so far the man in the other altercation has not passed away. And it doesn't seem that the friends of the other man are commenting much on that case so there is less room for discussion. The last I have heard from someone the knows the family for the other case the victim is making baby steps towards recovery so I do believe what you have heard about him passing to be false. As far as no grown person beating a child because of a racial slur, no grown person should kill a person over it either. At some point someone has to be the bigger person and realize the person making such a comment isn't going to change their viewpoint and go on about their business. Did killing this man change his viewpoint? What kind of impression did it make on the victims family? Do people care about that?

Dick Butkus- exactly

Kitto Jr- I am so sorry for your loss. I also agree that regardless of what was said obviously things were taken way past an extreme level. We are all adults and need to conduct ourselves as such. 2 wrongs don't make a right so the whole he did it because Ed said this or that is just bogus.

EmileeHanson14- can you please explain why nobody has turned in these "others" that acted with Chris? Nobody wants to see Chris facing these consequences but everyone is letting him face them alone? bogus. Another question because Chris and whoever may or may not have acted with him didn't intentionally kill anyone does that mean they shouldn't face the consequences? whose fault is it then?

olmanhawk- the comments on any of the news posts seldom help anyone. should they disable the comments? should people not voice their thoughts and opinions? if the comments are disabled would people not voice their opinions in other ways?

-- Posted by AshlyMeyer on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 1:21 PM

I've been reading comments from everyone the last few days. I'm not hear to voice my opinion. I just want to share a link. If you are complaining that there's not enough information about the case. www.iowacourts.state.ia.us. This is a link to look up peoples criminal records. I found this very interesting. Yes they both have prior run ins with the police. But one has domestic abuse, drug charges, multiple counts of theft, disorderly conduct, multiple OWI's, public intox, driving with restricted license- habitually, interference with official acts, disorderly contact aka fighting....

The other person had an OWI, interference with official acts, driving with out a license, and some speeding tickets. And now sitting in jail with murder charges.

I don't know either family, but I will keep both families in my prayers.

-- Posted by BJohnson11 on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 1:23 PM

** Here**

-- Posted by BJohnson11 on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 1:25 PM

BJohnson, I am questioning your reason for this? What are you saying by wanting or giving us the website to find out either persons PAST?? I am wondering how that will help people who want more info about the case. I understand as far as the law may look at past things done and determining sentencing or what not, but did not know how this was relavent.

-- Posted by thoughtsfromme on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 2:54 PM

BJohnson11....kind of a passive agressive way of stating your opinion don't ya think?

Keep in mind that Ed had 38 yrs of living on Fitz. Granted they were messed up years and I don't think anyone ever said Ed was a saint. Hell I'm no saint...... you can find me on that website too.

BOTTOM LINE....People change. I've changed and hopefully (with the love & support he has )Chris will change too....& get the chance at a normal life. The chance that Ed won't get....because that chance was taken away from him.

It's too bad someone didn't tell Fitz & his "Buddies"....if there were any...that the saying "Kick 'em while they're down!" is just that. (A SAYING)

After Ed's services on Sat. his ashes will be shipped to Colorado where he will be laid to rest in the state he called home.

To the Fitzpatrick family & friends...my heart aches for you to have to go thru this. My suggestion is to sign off & go give Chris the Love & support he will need.

As for me I am signing off & laying this matter to rest in the hands of the judicial system.

-- Posted by eye for an eye on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 3:03 PM

BJhonson11- I understand the point you are trying to make even if it is completely lost on others.

-- Posted by deweyh on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 3:38 PM

Ed kitto was a long time regular in the yahoo crib games site. Ed had a lot of id's that he played under, but primarily buildit100 and ottik1.I did not know Ed personally , but saw him many times in the games lounge. Ed came in and played crib late in the evening of aug27 under the name buildit100.If you look at ottik1's game history, you will see that ed finished his last game just after midnight (12.02)on the 28th. I understand the police arrived just after 2 am . Just two hrs after, Two short hrs. I dont know the details of what happened in those two hrs, but i do know, that wheels were set in motion, that would change lives forever. One man would be missed by family and friends, another young mans life will never be the same.Family and friends of those involved are affected and memories of these events will be carried for the rest of their lives. I have never been to spencer, quite frankly i never even heard of the place, but i see the affect its had on a community with reading these posts.Just two short hrs . If any lessons are to be learned from such a tragedy, it would be how we treat each other and how our actions change and impact people and their lives.I have wondered, if Ed would of stayed and played one more game, would things be different today .

-- Posted by outsidelookingN on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 3:41 PM

I agree with kcj89...this case has gotten way more attention then the other...and ashleymeyer this case had way more attention then the other before kitto had passed. And I do want to say I'm sorry for the kitto family...all I'm saying is Chris is not a monster or a killer. Let's just wait for this to all play out. Bjohnson, as for ur comments with the link...I see what your saying by this..kitto was no saint but this isn't the time for that the man just died...and olmanhawk is right! I'm done.

-- Posted by the great debate on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 4:48 PM

BJohnson11- What are you trying to get at? and the link shows each persons PAST. NOT things related to this case. Are you trying to say that someone with a longer rap sheet deserves to die when compared to someone with a shorter one? or what exactly are you trying to get at? The one sitting in jail with murder charges may have less past criminal history but you may be failing to factor in that he has had many less years to acquire such a thing also. Last I checked he is sitting in jail due to consequences of his actions.

eye for an eye- exactly

deweyh- the point wasn't lost. It was made in very poor tact and really holds no bearing on the situation that everyone is talking about. EVERYBODY has a past, bringing up everyones past isn't going to decide who is and isn't the better person. we all get it Mr. Kitto had more charges, whatever, but he had more years to acquire them, given the chance that this hadn't happen and Chris had the same amount of years can you promise he wouldn't have had a similar amount? nobody knows that.

outsidelookingN- very well put. thanks for sharing.

the great debate- it was the first situation of this kind to come up, it apparently holds more charges than the second one, it apparently involves more people than the second one. etc. there could be multiple issues as to why this case has gotten more coverage than the second one.

-- Posted by AshlyMeyer on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 7:38 PM

Im also wondering since they were having to search for chris and apparently didn't have to do so or it didn't take as long in the other case if that has anything to do with the difference.

-- Posted by AshlyMeyer on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 7:42 PM

Ashly, My guess would be this story has more "press

because someone died. No-brainer really.

It's true we (John Q. Public) don't know who caused Mr. Kitto's death, but we know for certain someone (or several someone's) did indeed cause it.

Therefore, someone is going to pay. How many and how much will be determined by the Court System at a later date.

-- Posted by Dick Butkus on Thu, Sep 13, 2012, at 9:58 PM

First off I'd like to say my name is Preston Paulsen. Born and raised in Spencer. I want to say my prayers are out to Mr. kitto's family, I can not conprehend what you must be feeling at this time.

Anybody who wants to look up my bast surely can, because I have my own history that is not great to begin with. I have Chris Fitzpatrick since we were 8. I myself am the reason he has part of his "rap sheet" as it is called. I will take full blame for it too. But I know him, and I will say better than anyone who has posted on here except one person.

If any of you think he is a murder, please, wait for the court system to settle the matter. When people say it was based on a racial slur, I will tell you this, I have been around Chris plenty of times when people have said racial slurs to him. EVERY SINGLE TIME that has been said he has said don't say that around me, and walked away.

His mug shoot was posted on here, and what did everyone see? It was an African American charge with a crime. NEWS FOR EVERYONE!!!! You would not realise that 3 out of his 4 brother or sisters are just like all of us. So please, just stop judging off of the picture you see. Because I know some of you are.

Chris is a GREAT kid,yes he has his past who doesn't? No one on here is a saint from God. I know I am not. Before you judge people on what the news reports just remember the cops do make mistakes with these thiings, people are found not gulity of charges as these are.

I was not there the night this happened, so I do not know everything, but I do know is, THAT CHRIS FITZPATRICK DID NOT KILL MR. KITTO! I hope and pray that all of you will learn that soon enough. Let the justice system do there job, please before we judge other people. Just think how you would feel if this was your son/grandson/nephew/father being charged with this. Nobody has said it yet, but yes he is a FATHER to a yough, just baby girl. Would you want her to grow up and never see here dad?

I know in my heart Chris would take a bullet for me, that is why I am willing to speak. I love the kid to death, and will stand behind him 100% of the way as he goes through this time and even after this is over and done with.

Once again I would like to send my prayers to Mr. Kitto's Family. I am truely sorry for your loss. But my deepest prayers go out to the entire Fitzpatrick family. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you through this time. I love you all.

Judge me if you please.. My name is Preston James Paulsen, Born and raised in the "GREAT" Spencer Iowa.

-- Posted by my2senseofthings on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 3:51 AM

Dick Butkus- I do agree, but some feel there was more press about it even before Mr. Kitto passed away. I'm just trying to give them some examples of why it may have been that way. There are a decent amount of differences in this one compared to the other.

my2senseofthings- not sure that it would be correct for you to "take full blame" for part of someone elses rap sheet as they are their own person, make their own decisions. however I do appreciate someone that acknowledges their role and possible influence on someone else. Hopefully from now on the both of you can have a more positive influence on each other. as far as "everyone seeing an african american charged with a crime" is a very general statement. I for one for sure didn't even notice that. my sister is darker than him and she isn't even any part african american. To me I saw a young man that was involved in a situation. Half my family is african american and they aren't making headlines, because they aren't putting themselves in situations of this magnitude. Now I'm not trying to say Chris is a monster or anything like that I'm just saying that if he played a role he needs to have consequences and to me race didn't have anything to do with it. If I go out and kill someone I bet it would be on the front page, and then what can I say it was because I'm of a mixed races? I think too many are focusing on something that isn't really the issue.

-- Posted by AshlyMeyer on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 8:56 AM

Either declare the tree good and its fruit is good, or declare the tree rotten and its fruit is rotten, for a tree is known by its fruit...For from the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks. A good person brings forth good out of a store of goodness, but an evil person brings forth evil out of a store of evil...on the day of judgement people will render an account of every careless word they speak.

Mt.12:33-36 abg.

-- Posted by old timing man on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 9:55 AM

Ashly; I am not sure why you believe that the number of incidents listed for each of these people did not have any bearing on the point. The point is that both of these people had a history of living life on the edge. And yes everyone has a past. I myself am listed on the website multiple times and will not make any excuses for any of my past or future actions. What I find odd is that you find this public information supplied by the state this way "It was made in very poor tact and really holds no bearing on the situation that everyone is talking about" This information has nothing but bearing on what everyone is talking about. Everyone on here has put their opinions out there with zero information. These past charges are the only proven factual information that has been supplied for anyone to form an opinion on. I do not know about you but for me knowing the history of these two gentleman speaks volumes about what happened that night (since I was not there). Although since I have no factual information to base an opinion on concerning the altercation I will just keep any conclusions concerning this to myself.

-- Posted by deweyh on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 11:14 AM

To All-- I feel compelled to repeat some of my comments from a previous article....

To the family of Chris - I am so sorry. I will keep Chris, Mom & Dad, sisters, brothers... in my prayers. I hope eventually, you find peace. Especially to Mom -- Never doubt that you raised good kids. Someone earlier said that 'one night does not define the person' and I truely believe that. People make poor choices, big or small, all the time -- it's what makes us human -- not inherently bad people.

To the family of Edward - I'm deeply sorry for the loss of Edward. No one can possibly know what you are going through and all the questions you must have, but I am sorry. And I hope that eventually, you find peace in the situation.

God Bless you all.

I will add that I'm not hiding behind a screen name -- This is Trish (Miller) Pitts

-- Posted by Don't-take-it-too-serious on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 12:25 PM

Hey everyone only ashleymeyer is right and you are all wrong...according to her. Ashley I hate how you call out everyone personaly like only ur opinions matter and ur taking peoples comments out of context yet your telling people to re read...

-- Posted by the great debate on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 1:34 PM

deweyh -have listed why the number of incidents don't matter to me. For 1 there is a many year age gap so yes there is going to be a difference in amount of entries and for 2 a persons past don't make them more guilty or more deserving of a beating in the life they are living now. What I find tacky is that you would post a persons public information and make it seem that since this 21 year old that doesn't have as many entries is somehow less guilty or somehow doesn't deserve his charges simply due to the fact that he has less entries of someone who was beaten to death. yes to me that is tacky. everyone is going to have something in their past that they aren't proud of but can you personally say that nobody in this situation hasn't changed since their past charges? didn't think so. and Chris has less, that could simply mean he just hasn't gotten CAUGHT as many times. I'm not saying I think Chris is a person person in character or anything just that I find it tacky the way you posted things up and compared them. when comparing, generally you compare apples to apples. your trying to compare grapes to wine. Yes everyone has put their opinions out but not everyone has zero information. You for sure are not the only person that is able to access the iowa courts online site or known about it. Do you seriously think that little bit of information on there is all the information needed? and you say that these past charges are the only proven factual information that has been supplied for anyone? What do these facts supply you with in regards to the case that happened? just that you know and older mans YEARS of history compared to a younger mans few years of adult records. You don't have access to his juvenile records so you also don't know what went on for the past years past what 3 years ago. Yes these may be facts but they are not facts of what happened in this case! If you feel comfortable judging someone based on there past and comparing them when they are so far apart in age then by all means go for it. But I for one sure don't feel the right to judge someone based on the past only on their current behavior which I don't know so I can only go off what is supplied for information regarding the case.

Don't-take-it-too-serious - I also believe that one night does not define a person or one mistake, i just feel that IF he is found guilty he needs to have consequences, even if he isn't a bad person. I also pray that if he wasn't they only one involved that nobody lets him take this entire rap by himself! I like it Trish that you seem to be an unbiased person who really cares about both families.

great debate- I'm glad you are finally seeing things my way. LOL. just kidding. I have never said I was right or that anyone was wrong. And I really thought that as adults we could have a discussion without stooping to such a level. But thanks for the chuckle!!! It really is ok for adults to have a discussion and not get heated over it or revert back to middle school tactics I promise. As far as calling everyone out by name, I'm simply replying back to each person. When I agree with someone I do the same thing, is that calling them out as well? I find when you put the names people are better able to understand what you are referring to when you are answering back or asking a question. Its really as simple as that so there is no need to make it out to more than that. I am more than aware that others opinions matter. I honestly don't "have one side or the other" just thoughts on each part of each side. I like to discuss issues with other people as I find that there is a lot to learn from others and a lot of times more information comes out in conversation than just sitting and thinking to yourself. Some people on here got me thinking and changed a few of my thoughts! And maybe some have done the same from mine. I am told you to re read something as you weren't understanding it as it was written. If someone else feels the same way about something I said in response to something they wrote they are more than welcome to point it out to me as well as I don't find the need to get offended by it.

with all that being said I just sincerely wish for clarity and strength for Chris and his family during this time and My heart just breaks for Mr. Kittos family. I can't begin to imagine what these past days have been like for them or what tomorrow will bring as well as they say their final good byes. I also pray for peace and strength for his family during this time.

-- Posted by AshlyMeyer on Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 9:20 PM

Shunn him

-- Posted by Amish4life on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 1:14 AM

Well said, Ashly!

-- Posted by Dennis the Menace on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 7:20 AM

WOW! I cannot believe some of you are so quick to judge! First off I would like to say to Kitto jr. I am sorry for your loss and cannot know what your going through or are feeling!For the people that are quick to judge, SHAME on YOU, you neither know the events nor do you know Chris or the events that happened that led up to it! What I can say is I have had the pleasure of working with chris and watching him grow up over the years and turn into a respectful,nice hard working young man! This was simply a fight (bar fight) that simply went wrong! This is not nor would Chris mean to beat another man to death!Putting this young man in jail is not doing anyone any good and is not the answer!My prayers go out to Kitto's family, Chris and his family!

-- Posted by Mitch Baschke on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 6:22 PM

some of you people need to take a freaking time out from this thread and go do something else for a few days. holy crap

-- Posted by Bansky on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 7:20 PM

Mitch- just out of simple curiosity, you say that putting Chris in jail is not the answer and isn't doing anyone any good. What would be your idea of what to do? are you saying that because you don't believe Chris had anything to do with the situation or just because you think there is something else that should be done with him? again just out of curiousity.

-- Posted by AshlyMeyer on Sat, Sep 15, 2012, at 10:15 PM

So we just let this person go free he killed a man. He beat him to death and we should just let him walk because it was a bar fight. He needs to pay for his crime. This is not like shoplifiting he took a mans life. He needs to pay for that and if there are more the police will find them and they will pay to. I hope he spends his life in jail

-- Posted by a colt fan on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 1:29 AM

He is not currently sitting in jail as punishment. He is there awaiting arraignment and trial, which is how our justice system works. If the judge decides he may be a flight risk, he may or may not have bail. Personally, if someone is charged with murder, I don't want them on the street.

Bar fight or not, because you are friends, co-workers, family etc., your opinion on the case is obviously skewed somewhat. If the jury decides there isn't evidence to convict him of the crime, he will be acquitted. If he is found guilty, he, his friends and family will have to live with that decision.

I'm not an attorney but I could see this being plea bargained down to manslaughter.

-- Posted by Dennis the Menace on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 11:55 AM

When I see two or more people starting to argue or fight, I step in to stop it. If they both turn on me-yes I've had it happen- so be it. I'll do it every time. Quit watching and commenting later. Do the right thing right away!

-- Posted by trybeinghonest on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 7:00 PM

@Robert Broadhead, EmileeHanson14 & Mitch Baschke, Thank you all for knowing the type of person Chris is. I know you all personaly, and we all know that Chris would never intend to kill someone.

With that, as @Mitch Baschke said this was a BAR FIGHT people!!! We may not fing out the truth till the court system plays it's self out. None of you people lnow who throw the first punch here.

You all make me sick to be be from Spencer, with how you just judge people. Most of the people commenting on here know either people, so yes you are able to say what you think happened, but just think, what would you be thinking if this was your son, brother, or anyhting charged with this crime.... Really? I believe you would have have a different mind on things if you truely knew the person.


-- Posted by my2senseofthings on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 4:31 AM

There is always self defense. Maybe the kid had to defend himself. No one knows but the people that were there. That's why we have the legal system.

-- Posted by joev on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 8:48 AM

@joev - Self defense likely doesn't work in this case. Self defense is only an affirmative defense until the assailant ceases to be a threat. Thus, if Person A starts a fight with Person B (and Person B cannot reasonably get away from the fight), Person B can defend himself only until Person A is no longer a threat. If Person B continues the fight after Person A is no longer a threat (i.e. running away or unconsious), the affirmative defense of self defense is no longer valid, and Person B can be charged with a crime.

In this case, it is unlikely (although not completely impossible) that the deceased party was a threat all the way up to the point where he laid unconsious, dying on the ground. Anything that happened after the decedant was no longer a threat is a chargeable offense.

-- Posted by Sony on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 11:07 AM

"This country is just too ****ed up about color. It's a distraction. People at each other's throats just because they are of a different color. It's the height of insanity, and it will hold any nation back."

- Bob Dylan, The Rolling Stone Interview, September 2012

Everyone, I've been entertained by reading all of your arrogant, rambling, illiterate posts. You're all just legends in your own minds. (Me too.) To be honest, I have no opinion of this matter, and I don't really care of the outcome. I'm not going to sit here and claim to be thinking and praying for the victim or the suspect or the families of either party involved. I don't pray, and the only thinking I've done about this story comes down to, "Well, that's a whole stupid situation, isn't it?" and then I'm off living my own happy life. I wasn't going to post anything, but I just ran across this quote in my magazine and thought it was too perfect not to share.


-- Posted by qMarq19 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 9:49 PM

all I can think of now is the movie Fight Club...

"his name was PRESTON PAULSON"......

-- Posted by Bansky on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 8:30 AM

Ashly I think I may have been unclear in my last post. I was not trying to state anything about the numbers. After all it is not a contest to see who can get their name on this website the most times. The point was that they both appeared to live on the edge and other than that we have no solid information about the night in question. I agree that this history in no way shows that either of them were at fault but my point was that it was the only proven information that has been provided anywhere. Also I did not "post a persons public information" and I also have made no judgments. I invite you to read what you posted earlier "Please take a minute to regroup and reread what has been said." With all of that being said I have expressed no opinion on the subject in these comments or in public other than that it was improper to post an opinion with limited information. I will leave the opinions to all of the experts.......

-- Posted by deweyh on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 11:54 AM

qMarq19- I will add you to my prayers as well.

as for the rest I'm past done talking about it. Either way I'll just be interested to see what all comes out of this case and how things end up. I still keep the families of both people involved in my prayers as I do with the other man involved in the other beating case. For those interested that man does have a caring bridge site with updates on how he is doing.

-- Posted by AshlyMeyer on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 2:39 PM

I keep seeing both sides of this issue say to the other "you don't know what happened that night" and therefore "your opinion is irrelevant". Fact is- none of you were there that night (except the others who were supposedly involved). Nobody has any insight. Nobody knows any more than what is in this article. None of your opinions will be taken into account by the legal system. Two families were deeply affected by what happened- anybody asking others how they'd feel if it were their father who had died needs to think about how they'd feel if it were their son, brother, father, etc who was accused. Neither family needs to be drug through the mud and shown the amount of callousness some of you are showing here. No man should have his life put to an end before his time. No 21 year old should be labeled a monster beyond help without thorough investigation. Assumptions, rumors, and hearsay have poisoned this area on this matter- for his sake, I hope Fitzpatrick is granted a change of venue when his day in court comes. I wish both families comfort during this time.

-- Posted by notinia on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 11:44 PM

He killed a guy over something stupid. Had he killed a little kid or an animal no one would support him. He just so happened to kill a 59 year old man so people don't feel as bad and are like oh he made a mistake. No he consciously beat someone up then was awnaw he's not moving better hide the body. Support him all you want but if that was your family member that got beat and left for dead in some bushes you'd be very angry.

-- Posted by Psychonik on Fri, Nov 2, 2012, at 10:56 PM

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