Gay rights, immigration dominate Santorum stop

Thursday, December 8, 2011
About 30 people listen as former Sen. Rick Santorum, of Pennsylvania, delivers his stump speech. Immigration and gay rights dominated much of the question and answer time. (Photo by Randy M. Cauthron)

As GOP presidential hopeful Rick Santorum wrapped up his stump speech and opened the floor for questions, the focus of his event in Spencer quickly turned to gay rights and immigration.

"How do you remain toward homosexuals while strengthening the traditional family structure?" Greg Rasch asked the former senator from Pennsylvania.

"People should have a right to live the life they want to lead, but that doesn't mean we have to adopt as matters of public policy, policies that change the basic value structure of our country to accommodate that lifestyle," Santorum responded.

He went on to tell the room of about 30 potential voters that homosexuals have worked for him and he does not believe they should be discriminated against because of their sexual orientation.

GOP presidential hopeful Rick Santorum talks to Pizza Ranch customers prior to his Tuesday afternoon event there. (Photo by Randy M. Cauthron)

"But, that doesn't mean we should change the laws of this country to destabilize the American family, to change the way we look at religious liberty in this country, to accommodate a different value structure," Santorum added.

He went on to say America is built on Judeo-Christian values.

"Laws should try as much as possible to comport with the higher law and also should comport with what reason would dictate. And what reason dictates is that children need mothers and fathers," Santorum said. "What we're doing by changing the laws of marriage is denying children the opportunity to have a mother and a father. Some say, 'Well, through technology, same-sex couples can have children.' Well they can, through either adoption or artificial insemination ... but they don't get the mother and the father. ... Every child has the right to have their mother and their father."

Later, reporters asked Santorum about President Barack Obama's decision to promote gay rights abroad using American foreign aid dollars.

"I would suggest that we give out humanitarian aid based on humanitarian need, not based on whether people are promoting their particular agenda," Santorum said. "Obviously, the administration is promoting their particular agenda in this country, and now they feel its their obligation to promote those values not just in the military, not just in our society, but now around the world with taxpayer dollars."

Santorum accused Obama of saying he is for traditional marriage, while fighting against it in the courts and promoting gay lifestyles and gay rights.

In addition to that line of questioning, Santorum answered questions about immigration, saying that a private contractor could create a better system than E-Verify and blaming Obama for not wanting to solve the immigration issue.

"He didn't even try to pass one (immigration plan) ... when he had the time to propose pretty much anything he wanted and get just Democratic votes to pass it," Santorum said. "And then after Republicans took control of the House in 2011, the first thing he said was, 'Republicans are blocking immigration.'"

When asked how to handle someone who is brought to the country illegally by their parents, Santorum said they continue to break the law by having fake documentation and also accused fellow presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich of having "false compassion."

"You can't be here for 20 years and commit only one illegal act ... because everything you're doing while you're here is against the law ..." Santorum said. "I understand Congressman Gingrich saying, 'Well, you know, people have been here and they've been good citizens and paying taxes.' Yeah, under somebody else's Social Security number because you stole it."

Families should be broken up when the law is broken, which includes illegal immigration, he added.

When asked about "anchor babies" who are born in America to illegal immigrants, Santorum said he was torn on the issue, but that it is a symptom of a porous border which must be addressed first.

In his speech, he recommended turning entitlements over to the states.

"I want to make (Rep.) Jeff (Smith) a really busy guy because I want to take these federal program, cut all the strings, block grant it, give it back to them and let them design a program," Santorum said, referencing the man who introduced him Tuesday afternoon.

Though his poll numbers remain in the single digits, Santorum said he is building momentum slowly and refuses to stop emphasizing social issues.

"The concept that we can have a strong country and strong economy without a strong family unity is a lie," Santorum said. "If you don't have a strong family structure, you're going to have more problems."

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  • There is a reason Mr. Santorum consistently polls around 1% -- running a virulently anti-gay campaign no longer flies with voters, even in the "heartland" of America.

    Even Santorum's own supporters are beginning to question Santorum's apparent obsession with not only gay issues but gay sex. When asked about DADT repeal, he went into a fantasy about wet, steamy gay soldiers sexually assaulting straight soldiers. It was not only untrue based upon actual facts, but a very revealing glimpse into Mr. santorum's mind.

    If Rick Santorum were running for the Presidency of a fascist theocrisy he might stand a chance -- but unfortunately for him we live in a constitutional Democracy.

    -- Posted by Robroberts on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 3:37 AM
  • Ugh! Please! People are eating!

    -- Posted by AmyPeterson on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 6:42 AM
  • Yes cause the mother/father family is doing so well. Look at our children and tell me the gays are responsible for the downfall of the family.

    -- Posted by joev on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 7:07 AM
  • Wait. He stumps on the strength of the traditional family value, but then says, "Families should be broken up," in the case of children from illegal immigrant families.

    He's just another neo-conservative who says, "I value families as long as they're white and conservative or in some other way they're like me and I don't objec to them. Everyone else can be broken by our government's policies."

    Children have a right to their mother and father as long as that mother and father are perfect in Santorum's opinion.

    Wow. Just wow.

    -- Posted by AmyPeterson on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 11:38 AM
  • Amy -- exactly-- Santorum claims to be "pro-family" but everything he fights for is designed to destroy families.

    He has one dead baby and another almost dead baby, and parades them in public to try and repeal the Affordable Healthcare Act. He can afford private insurance for his nearly dead baby with a pre-existing condition, but would deny this healthcare to millions of others.

    Mr. Santorum is a paid corporate shill, who hides behind a mask of religion and morality. It is people like him who are both a symtom of and a cause of the current decline of America.

    -- Posted by Robroberts on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 1:32 PM
  • I mean, I know people grieve in very personal ways. If anyone knows that, it's me. But I just have to believe this guy ain't right.

    Karen Santorum wrote a book about the experience of losing a son in 1996 who was born 20 weeks early after she developed a life-threatening infection. She allowed doctors to give her Oxytocin to speed the birth, since they feared losing the baby due to the infection.

    "Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum" was her book. In it, she writes that the couple brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and introduced the dead child to their living children as "your brother Gabriel" and slept with the body overnight before returning it to the hospital. The anecdote was also written about by Michael Sokolove in a 2005 New York Times Magazine story on Santorum.

    Karen, it turns out, is also the author of a book on etiquette for children. I would venture to say her children have been exposed to a wide variety of situations, ranging from sick to awkward to tragic to uncomfortable.

    -- Posted by AmyPeterson on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 5:54 PM
  • Who cares about this idiot. He's just another bloodthirsty warmonger who expresses his disappointment we won't be wasting billions more dollars and hundreds more lives fighting idiotic wars of aggression he supports.

    Kinda hard to be "pro family" when you advocate splitting families of immigrants apart or sending troops into a nation to bomb the hell out of it to support the military industrial complex and private contractors who contribute to your campaigns, ISN'T IT, RICK?

    Why so much hatred for gays? Don't you know this isn't an important issue this election and that's half the reason you're polling so horribly, RICK? Are you another one of the homophobe closet cases maybe?

    What a scumbag.

    -- Posted by jlees on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 6:18 PM
  • Though Mr. Santorum wants to bomb Iran, its actually the kind of country he would enjoy living in -- a place where gays are terrorized and put to death, women are repressed, and the fascist theocrisy rules with an iron fist. Rick, will you please consider moving there?

    -- Posted by Robroberts on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 7:53 PM
  • Illegal Immigration is vastly becoming a war of--THEM and US--which is an invasion of people who came here to steal jobs, with the collusion of nationwide businesses. Every part of this country is saturated with a patchwork of illegal foreign neighborhoods. Scores came here under false pretenses, smuggling unborn babies to take advantage of laws forced upon Americans by the black robe activists in the courts. Judges have mishandled the 14th amendment, by allowing every expectant Mother who lies of their intention to enter our country, whether as a tourist, student or here on a business venture. These fetus carrying females are fully aware that if they can get a foot on to our soil, whatever the reason they have immediate access to free--FREE HEALTH TREATMENTS, WHICH TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PAY. THEN THE CHILD GROWS UP AND BILLIONS OF MORE DOLLARS ARE APPROPRIATED BY THE IRS, TO PAY FOR THE EDUCATION OF CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL PARENTS.

    This is unerringly the same circumstances on the U.S. Border, that a woman with a child can get free medical care. But for Americans--forget it, you will be hunted forever for unpaid bills, unless you are under the poverty level. But the 20 million, perhaps even 25 million already existing here, don't pay a penny. All the time I hear that these people who slip past agents at the border, or managed to deceive trained inspectors at other ports of entry, including airline arrivals. They get immediate assistance from the welfare departments as they are well versed in law and where to procure forged ID's.

    H.R.140, titled the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011, was introduced on Jan 5. 2011, by Rep. Steve King a Republican of Iowa.. As of last month, the bill had 80 co-sponsors. While its companion bill S.723 was read twice in the Senate and referred to the Committee. On April 2011, H.R.140 was referred to the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement; January 24, 2011 where it gather Congressional dust without further action. The bill does not need amendment of the Constitution but rather Section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act is to explain those classes of individuals born in the United States who are considered nationals and citizens of the United States at birth. THIS ISSUE NEEDS THE URGENT PRO-ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, PATRIOTIC AMERICAN ATTENTION, AS THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST COSTLY EXPENSES BORN BY TAXPAYERS. The Birthright Citizenship Act amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify a person born in the United States "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States for citizenship at birth if the person is born in the United States of parents, one of whom is: (1) a U.S. citizen or national, (2) a lawful permanent resident alien whose residence is in the United States, or (3) an alien performing active service in the U.S. Armed Forces.


    Lamar Smith's (R-TX) 'THE LEGAL WORKFORCE ACT' is also a zero-tolerance bill, that if past can outlaw illegal aliens from the workplace. Businesses that are violation of the law will be audited and the owners harshly fined and even sent to prison. It is better recognized by hundreds of thousands of candid companies that E-Verify will red flag illegal aliens, opening payroll jobs for lawful residents and the citizenry. E-Verify is a progressive disincentive that is being continuously upgraded by the Homeland Security and ICE. Just like H.R.140, titled the Birthright Citizenship Act, E-Verify 'THE LEGAL WORKFORCE ACT', H.R. 2885, is a innovation to stop this travesty of our immigration laws?

    Today with the failure of the numerous administrations to construct the real 2006 Secure fence, consisting of two fences with a wide expanse in between for the movement of rapid interdiction of Drug, weapons and the massive influx of illegal migrants. What is already been built is still incomplete and droves of illegal aliens cross, including terrorist who are impersonating Mexican individuals. Neither the 1986 Immigration nor its 1974 version of these laws after enactment were enforced. The 1986 Immigration reform and Control Act was rife with fraud, and both laws have been neglected and abused. One huge lie played on the US taxpayer by politicians, who sold their souls to the huge abhorrent special interest lobbyists and open border radical entities.

    Currently it needs serious action by all patriotic Americans. This can be done by the voter contacting Washington 202-224-3121 and giving your name, address to the political aid and insisting your representative in the Senate-House uphold the law and co-sponsor both laws. More and more legislators are moving to co-sponsor both laws, to begin enforcement by Attrition, or self deportation, as jobs being commandeered by illegal aliens are returned to the rightful American workers. The website of NumbersUSA can be Google'd, where you can send free faxes and read in detail about the corruption at the highest levels of federal and state government.

    Right now, a bunch of polling firms and news media have used this as a chance to do polls that manipulate questions in a way to seem to show that most Americans want most illegal aliens to stay, showing that pro-amnesty doesn't hurt a candidate and causing rumblings through Congress that maybe it does make sense to reconsider amnesty over the next couple of years, after all. The pollsters are doing this with the Big Trick of never offering voters an option of Attrition through Enforcement (forcing them to choose either mass deportations or mass legalization).

    In short, Mr. Gingrich has revived the whole national debate on amnesty which had been essentially dead after you/we defeated the DREAM amnesty last December. Any chance for amnesty votes was essentially dead until Gingrich revived the idea. Whatever you may think of presidential candidate Newt Gingrich or his recently announced legalization plan, the fact that he has broken the 4-year Republican taboo against amnesty has unleashed pro-amnesty efforts everywhere. Any mass amnesty will ignite CHAIN MIGRATION that will be more billions of dollars, taken from your taxes. Gingrich amnesty calculated by 'The Heritage Foundation' could cost us $2.3 Trillion dollars, that is not including CHAIN MIGRATION of following family members and further attracting even million more to these shores or through borders--adding even more--POVERTY-- to American low income bread lines we have now. This is Dire Poverty unseen since the Great Depression of 1929? This country is broke, from corruption, attributed to both political parties and we are facing a upward spike in the 15 Trillion dollars we have already.

    Attn: Keep an eye on Democrats as they are intentionally pushing non-citizens to vote in all coming elections, that includes the 2011 presidential. They are also trying to change electoral laws, so you can register and immediately vote, using groups like the fraudulent canvassing of the ACORN group, that's reappeared under another name. Additionally the Left is introducing legislation, so you don't even need a picture ID; this to me is as close to fraud as you can get?

    In conclusion, insist that Obama and his cronies expedite the 'Keystone' pipeline, as it will bring cheap oil into America and less need of petroleum from unfriendly countries. Its installation from Canada to Texas will require the hiring of 20.000 US Workers. Unless the present administration gets its finger out, our Northern neighbor will quite possibly sell this commodity to Communist China. Use the phone number above and tell the Democrats in Washington to do something for Americans.

    -- Posted by Brittanicus on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 10:00 PM
  • Wow Brittanicus -- whenever I see a rant like yours, I quickly scroll past it, as I suspect the vast majority of people do. You are ******* in the wind.

    -- Posted by Robroberts on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 8:29 AM
  • I have a question. Is a fetus viable if born 20 weeks early? If not, isn't giving Oxytocin to induce premature birth an abortion, at least technically?

    I know abortion is an inflammatory word because it's associated only with voluntary late term surgical procedures, but it's also a spontaneous/natural process called a miscarriage and may be medically necessary as in this case.

    Just something to consider.

    -- Posted by helped_myself on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 9:35 AM
  • helped_myself, given the radical nature of the way the Santorums have said they practice the tenets of Catholicism, I believe what happened is the Santorums thought by getting the fetus out of the infected uterus and into the world where perhaps medical science could sustain him until he could breathe and otherwise survive on his own, they were performing an anti-abortion, regardless of the risk to Mrs. Santorum.

    Because, as I've blogged before, if we go by the rhetoric of some of the extreme anti-abortion, anti-contraceptive, anti-HPV vaccine, anti-women's health activists, the unborn are America's royalty and their well being is far above that of people already here.

    -- Posted by AmyPeterson on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 12:06 PM
  • I find the responses to this story very, very sad. May God have mercy on your souls.

    -- Posted by Leah Cauthron on Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 4:38 PM
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