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Facility plan continues with look at high school

Thursday, April 1, 2010
Even though there aren't as many students enrolled at Spencer High School (SHS) as there were in past decades, recommendations from the Iowa, South Dakota and Minnesota Departments of Education suggest more space is needed per student now. While they were told by Cannon Moss Brygger Architects (CMBA) representatives that 110-135 square feet per elementary student and 150-200 square feet per middle school student are recommended today, community residents handpicked to help prioritize Spencer school district's facility needs through 2025 learned that high school students should have an estimated 160-225 square feet.

The group focused on Spencer's elementary and middle school buildings March 18. The same group contemplated the district's high school facilities Tuesday night.

In addition to the perceived SHS and vocational-technical building needs outlined by Jim Ruble, a CMBA project architect from Sioux City, Superintendent Greg Ebeling also suggested that upgrades to at least the home-side bleachers on Dale Norton Field be considered as an item needing to be addressed. Ebeling also mentioned the addition of more parking around the high school buildings and adding one lane onto the seven-lane track around Dale Norton Field as other near-future possibilities.

After attendees were allowed time to discuss the perceived SHS facility needs offered as potential priorities for the district, they identified securing the buildings' multiple entries and the crosswalk between the high school and vo-tech buildings as local priorities worthy of attention. The building of a new theater with auditorium and auxiliary gymnasium, or practice space, ranked as tentative third-place priorities for some of those attending the Tuesday night meeting.

As Ruble said there would be room for such facilities on the high school grounds, he showed a schematic diagram with a freestanding auditorium west of the existing vo-tech building and another with an auxiliary gym added onto the SHS building and situated east of the technical education facility.

"You have a great facility there. It's about as good as any I've seen," Ruble said of the district's vo-tech building, further noting its approximately 20,000-square-foot area is well above the approximately 4,000 square feet cited in guidelines.

Ebeling also mentioned the former Pentecostal church located west of the SHS vo-tech building is currently being used to store things. The superintendent then said eventual plans could include demolishing that building and erecting a new one.

As discussion continued, it was mentioned there are 43 outside exits at the high school complex. While the goal of district officials would be to secure as many as possible, placing alarms on exit-only doors and moving security camera monitors to a place where they can be viewed all the time were introduced as possibilities.

According to SHS Principal Joe Mueting, the main building's east entrance from the east parking lot is "an issue." It is often an entrance not secured because students prop the door open and then enter the wrestling room or the boys locker room. The principal also mentioned a lockdown situation which occurred at the high school earlier this school year, and said teachers cannot lock their classroom doors from the inside.

Mueting also said the entrance from the tech-ed building into the high school is "becoming an issue." This narrow passageway crosses East Second Street. To augment security, several people recommended closing this street and connecting the two buildings. The SHS principal also suggested relocating the transportation office, located south of the Fieldhouse in the main building, to improve the ticket entrance and Fieldhouse entryway.

Next, a handful of participants suggested combining an auditorium, additional practice space and storage in a new facility. SHS teacher Larry Untiet pointed to the 6-year-old conceptual drawing by Neumann Monson Wictor Architects of Sioux City which detailed a potential performing fine arts complex.

"Something needs to be done, whether it's renovating the old auditorium (at the former Spencer Middle School building) or building a new one onto the high school. A decision needs to be made as far as the cost of each. And, either way, you need to make sure you're meeting the needs of the music, speech and drama programs with whichever facility you go with," Untiet advocated.

Spencer resident Brook Nolin also suggested during the group's discussion that the basement and gymnasium located in the former SMS building might be used as needed practice or storage areas for the district.

While several people encouraged district officials to look at enclosing the SHS courtyard area, as well as raising the balcony railing on the gym's south side and installing handrails for the Fieldhouse bleachers, comments were also received about improving the heating and air conditioning systems at the high school. Ebeling noted that geothermal and other energy improvements are currently being studied by district and Spencer Municipal Utilities representatives as possibilities "which might ultimately be an infrastructure expenditure but would help our operational costs."

During the Tuesday night meeting, participants were told discussions such as the one they were having will be used to assist Spencer school board members in prioritizing potential projects with a finite amount of money available.

Spencer's superintendent also said he doesn't foresee the community having the will to say, "Here's $35-$40 million. Go build a new high school."

"That, I believe, is a pretty hard sell, especially with what we already have," Ebeling said.

However, Spencer's superintendent did mention the 1-cent statewide sales tax which took effect two years ago. This tax, which generates approximately $1.4 million for the Spencer school district annually, is expected to be put on the rolls through 2029, Ebeling said.

"It's currently being used to pay off the new middle school. As the part that we have bonded against is paid off in four years, that will then free up those dollars to be used for other infrastructure (and technology) projects in the district. Because the statewide penny is on the books until 2029, we'll have an additional 15 years that it will be available to the district after that is paid off. That $21 million will allow the district to do some very nice facility projects without having to say to taxpayers, 'Give us more money because we need it.' ... The 1-cent sales tax will give us the ability to then use those dollars for the infrastructure priorities that the district sets."

As facility study committee members are scheduled to meet one final time, at 5 p.m. Tuesday, May 4, to further discuss future district priorities, CMBA representatives are expected to present a compilation of suggestions offered to date with dollar amounts attached to them.

"The good news is that the district will have the ability to do some very good things without having to raise property taxes or without having to go out and ask for local PPEL funds or any of those things. It will be with funds that are already earmarked and committed to school infrastructure," Ebeling said. " ... We obviously won't be able to do everything, but certainly we're going to use those dollars to keep improving our facilities because that's what they're meant for."


SHS Facility Needs Identified

* High School Building

ADA-accessible toilets in one of four restrooms

Air conditioning in portions of building (Not math or science wings or media center)

Theater / Auditorium

Auxiliary gymnasium

Secure main entrance

Larger classrooms (Six on second floor)

Fieldhouse balcony railing

Increase band instrument storage space (Recommendations are for this to be two-thirds larger)

Music classroom / Lab

Separate Health classroom

Additional space for Family and Consumer Science

* Technical Education Building Needs Identified

Add horticulture greenhouse

ADA-accessible toilets

Air conditioning / Ventilation

Connect to SHS / Secure entrance

Better lighting


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All these improvements are not going to improve education. Maybe if the parents of these kids wouldn't feed them little debbie snacks and make them walk to school it wouldn't require more space per student. How is it that without all these "needs" we received a better education then these kids today. Our enrollment is going to continue to drop because we care more about parks than jobs. We are on the way to being a 2A school in the next 10 years, five if we don't kick the democrats out of power. Spencer is dying, and if you want to kill it faster spend a bunch of money we don't have on something we don't need. We went without air conditioning, it won't kill today's kids to do the same. Plus if we cool the building we are going to heat up the Earth(if you believe the lies of global warming). Lets finally make what we have work, get creative. Quit asking us to fork over money. Thanks to you overpaid, under worked, and under performing educators our taxes keep going up and our kids' test scores keep going down. I would bet that you could find a great inverse relationship between rise in school funding and drop in test scores.

-- Posted by DOWNWITHDEMS on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 12:36 AM

DWD, as a teacher, I have so many issues with you generalizing teachers as "overpaid, under worked and underperforming." And, no, its not because it "hits close to home". Its because, in most cases, its simply not true. You, sir, are king of the generalizations. All Democrats are bad. All city projects are wasteful. All teachers are lazy. An argument based on blatant careless generalization is not a legitimate argument at all, and any intelligent person knows to dismiss it.

That being said, I'd like to see an argument about today's teachers that lays out your proof about what you think you "know" about them. I'd like to see an argument that points out specific problems you have with a few of the improvements listed at the end of the article and what you would do instead (instead of a rant about Democrats, spending, and teachers- who weren't mentioned in the article at all). Finally, I'd like to hear about proposals you actually agree with- if there are any. Frankly, I think you're on this website strictly to find things to complain about and to rile up other readers. Please prove otherwise.

-- Posted by notinia on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 1:35 AM

First of all it is easy to see that overall our students are not achieving. Our standards and expectations are falling. As a teacher I am sure that you have seen that kids today are leaving high school with less knowledge and ability than they were 10 years ago. Having graduated from Spencer and comparing what I was taught and expected to know vs. the curriculum of today it isn't even close. I never said that all teachers are lazy. There are 2 parts to the problem. One part is the school and the other is the parents. As for the school 70% of the problem is the administration and 30% is the teachers.

All I am pointing out is that we have gone all these years without this stuff, why do we need it now? They finally admitted that we have a declining enrollment, which is going to continue to decline. If we were able to accomplish more with less, why do we need more?

If we have fewer students why would we need another gym? We are playing the same number of sports. I don't know how long that track has been there without the proposed new lane, but we have gone this long do we need that upfront cost and extra continual care. A new theater, come on. We have one. It is also ok to go without. We could probably function without a theater at all. Smaller classes=larger classrooms? All let you answer that. Air conditioning, is that really a need? How many years have we not had it? Since the school decided not to take advantage of having free power forever, I do not think we need to add to our bill. Plus I think it is good for both the teacher and student to have to be uncomfortable sometime. More parking, why not encourage walking or car pooling?

I am for a new, higher railing. Kids today probably should have to wear a bike helmet when walking on the balcony. Again maybe update the bathrooms would be a justified use of money.

I get tired of spending money just to spend money. We seem to have the attitude in this town that we have to have the newest, "greatest" stuff. If it is not broke, don't fix it. If you can prove to me that any of these things will increase student knowledge, I would like to see it. That is what we need to focus on. I have 2 children and they do not and will not attend Spencer schools unless Spencer focuses on and changes the falling standards and the failing teachers. Not all teachers are failing, but Spencer won't replace the 30% that need to be replaced. Spencer seems unwilling to admit that sometimes they make poor hiring decisions. We can forgive a bad decision, unless you are unwilling to admit and fix it.

-- Posted by DOWNWITHDEMS on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 5:29 AM

First off, when you say "Thanks to you overpaid, under worked, and under performing educators our taxes keep going up and our kids' test scores keep going down", it definitely sounds like you are speaking to teachers in general. If that was not your intention, then you may want to work on how you're wording things- you never mentioned administrators in your original comment. However, given your history of comments on teachers, it was definitely easy for me to jump to conclusions.

Anyway...

I just don't see, DWD, how you can be so educated on how well Spencer students are prepared for life if you don't attend SHS or have children who do. (Notice I didn't mention standardized test scores, which present their own set of interpretation problems). It follows that I'm not sure how you know so much about the teachers if you/your children haven't experienced any of them. I'm genuinely curious. I didn't attend SHS, nor do I now, so I don't profess to know what percentage of teachers present a problem, or what the standard of education is like there. However, you certainly can't justify impeding progress because of student/faculty shortcomings- or because you're worried about your taxes. I do know that my alma mater is considering making it more difficult to graduate, and has the same set of standards it did when I went there. However, it has always been to easy to cheat, which leads to its own set of problems.

I am with you on the larger space just to have more space- I'm not sure how they come up with those numbers. I will say that the new theater/gymnasium/practice area was meant to be a combination of the three, and would serve all three purposes. I do, however, believe in air conditioning. I remember being miserable in part of May, June, August, and September in our school, and I remember most of those days being a complete waste because EVERYONE was miserable. Just because former generations have dealt with it is no reason to continue putting people through it. The school I'm at now has A/C in most of the building and you just don't have that drag on you like we used to for the beginning/end of the school year. Not a necessity, but definitely worth it to my mind.

Those are really your only two items I have anything to say about. The rest of the items on the list seem reasonable, aside from having space to say they have enough space. You ask me to prove where any of those items improve knowledge- they're just not meant to. It's more logistical improvements than curriculum improvements, which is addressed by a completely different committee. Secure entrances, instrument storage, the railing etc. are improvements that I'd say are helpful to the everyday functioning of the school and safety of the students. They may not learn trigonometry from it, but that doesn't make it less important.

I don't see where we should stop improving just because enrollment is declining- that's a sure way to mark this school for a slow, painful death- look at some of the districts surrounding you. The students that still attend should have opportunities kids in larger schools do, and their classmates leaving should not affect the quality of the school they attend. Educational standards do matter, but that's not really the discussion that relates to this article.

-- Posted by notinia on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 9:29 AM

I did attend Spencer schools not to long ago. Some teachers have left, but a lot of the faculty is still unchanged. I know what was required when I went to school there, and I have been back to see what is required now. Not even close. What I do as a parent is interview schools and see which ones are able to provide a quality education for my children. Spencer is no longer an institution worth considering. 30% of the people in any profession aren't making the grade. Some are capable, but are no longer motivated since they have seniority. Others just aren't good enough. Unfortunately Spencer never seems to rid itself of the under performing. I am attracted to a school district that is not afraid to fire poor teachers, Spencer is not that district.

Most of these issues are non essentials. If they are not going to improve education, then they are not important for an educational institution. The few days where heat poses a problem, we can certainly put up with it. It is good for us. Some of these students won't have air conditioning where they work, should they stay home when it is hot?

The problem is whenever education in this town is brought up it is only about how we can spend more money on non essential items. We need to quit wanting material things and start thinking about how to turn around our failed school district. Spencer schools once provided an education that would be competitive with any in the nation. I am sorry to say that is far from the case today. Adding cost items that do nothing to turn that trend around is to me a waste of time and effort.

-- Posted by DOWNWITHDEMS on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 10:15 AM

"The few days where heat poses a problem, we can certainly put up with it. It is good for us. Some of these students won't have air conditioning where they work, should they stay home when it is hot? "

Why should we? What's the point? And, how is it "good for us"? Sure, we can say we toughed it out, but I don't think we NEED to. Out of many of those items, I feel like this is one that would actually help students learn more on many days at the beginning/end of the school year. Also, I don't understand your logic about work environments. Many of those same students WILL have A/C where they work. Should they not be required to go to school on hot days without it? I just don't see the logic, there.

-- Posted by notinia on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 12:38 PM

Didn't we see this coming? Once the new Middle School was a done deal, it was only a matter of time before talk of a new High School hit the agenda.

-- Posted by Culture Warrior on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 12:54 PM

What I was saying is that a lot of students will not work in air conditioned office buildings. If they don't have A/C on hot days when they are working, is that an excuse to not get their jobs done? Deal with it, it is good for people to learn to suffer a little bit. Most of the world is without air conditioning. If air conditioning is important for learning, how come our country is being left behind?

-- Posted by DOWNWITHDEMS on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 3:38 PM

What I was saying is that a lot of students will not work in air conditioned office buildings. If they don't have A/C on hot days when they are working, is that an excuse to not get their jobs done? Deal with it, it is good for people to learn to suffer a little bit. Most of the world is without air conditioning. If air conditioning is important for learning, how come our country is being left behind?

-- Posted by DOWNWITHDEMS on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 3:38 PM

I think there is a lack of parental involvement here. Two of my three children are far beyond their peers in reading. Why is that? Most likely it is because we are a reading house. They see their father and I reading and we set the example. I don't spend hours supervising their homework or drilling them. We spend time together on fun and learning and we don't have TV.

I'm really not a hovering parent -- my kids have a lot of independence and room to make mistakes, and yet they're very high achievers in school because they got the message that learning is important and fun.

My eldest gets a pass because he has a disability, yet he is achieving in art classes at the school, too.

I think parents expect too much of teachers and don't create a learning centered environment at home.

-- Posted by AmyPeterson on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 10:53 PM

"If air conditioning is important for learning, how come our country is being left behind?"

In that same vein, though, if our country is really that far behind, wouldn't we want to do anything we can to make our schools a comfortable environment for learning?

-- Posted by notinia on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 1:54 AM

I personally fail to see how any reasonable person would be against implementing some sort of A/C in the schools, despite the extra cost. They would only need to be used at best for one third of the school year, and regardless of its impact on learning (whether it would help or not-I tend to think it would help teachers and students focus better), there is no reason people entering or using the school buildings should feel a wave of sweltering heat smack them in the face when they walk in. Who cares if people didn't have it before? We used to toil in fields in our backyards if we wanted tomatoes and rutabagas, now we walk into air conditioned supermarkets for them. Arguing that we shouldn't have air conditioning in schools because it costs money is like saying we shouldn't have supermarkets because we don't technically need them for survival.

With any of the other projects, I don't personally have a problem with any of them, as long as they can be proven actually necessary or within monetary limits and those advocating for any specific project show a large amount of support and interest in it, instead of just essentially "winging it" and spending millions of dollars on a facility that is rarely used. Perhaps the thing on the list whose need is most exaggerated I would think is an auxiliary gym. For what? Spencer's Fieldhouse is already one of the largest and nicest in the area, and the activities director has done an excellent job managing athletic schedules insofar as any conflicts go. While I wouldn't be opposed to building one if it proved more than marginally necessary or convenient, the significant cost associated with such leads me (and most others with whom I've talked about this) to think that money would be better spent on other projects or improvements.

-- Posted by jlees on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 6:20 PM


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