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Government Takeover of Healthcare

Posted Monday, November 2, 2009, at 4:05 PM

This will be short & simple. I will sign on and support Obama's healthcare plan as soon as he signs up his family and forces all of Congress to do the same. What's good for the serfs should be good enough for the King and his court right?!


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I bet if it was a Bush, you would have signed up already :)

-- Posted by ADAMHARRIS on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 10:45 AM

I don't think that there is going to be a complete and utter government takeover of healthcare. You CAN still keep your insurance. If your current plan is better, keep it! If the public option is better, get that instead. It's your choice.

But, wouldn't it be groovy if ALL US Citizens qualified for affordable health care, even if they were old, sick, or working poor without benefits? Just thinking about it makes me all gooey inside.

-- Posted by AimeeClark on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 11:50 AM

I agree with you Leah. If it is such a great bill then why isn't all of the government employees including elected officals on the government healthcare plan? This only makes sense. Also everyone needs to realize that the current healthcare plan you are on now and want to keep most likely will not be offered by your employer once a FREE (you'll actually be paying for it if you take it or not) healthcare policy is available. Most healthcare benifits will be cut because of a free alternative. All the employers need to do is to offer a 5-10% pay raise and get the employee to go on the federal healthcare plan. My estimate is that it will take less than 5 years for 80% of the population to be on it. I still can't figure out why they can't get the "paid for abortions" out of the proposed bill. Not to mention NO IDEA of how to pay for it

-- Posted by beararms4ever on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 2:56 PM

This is my problem with that reasoning, Aimee- what chance will privatized companies have to compete with the government? Will they be able to keep costs low enough to keep patrons, or will the government undercut everyone? Will the government end up with a healthcare near-monopoly, thus allowing them to lower the standard of care due to lack of competition?

These are obviously hypothetical situations, but I do think that they are worth considering. A public option is a great idea, in theory, but we have to question whether it is really as simple as our lawmakers would like us to believe.

-- Posted by notinia on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 4:15 PM

Well your in luck then. The health care plan the Democrats are trying to pass is the same plan the president and all the senators and all the congressmen have. Isn't it odd that republicans have always opposed new programs that help average people. Social security, medicare, medicaid, expanded health care for children, and now health care reform that would give anyone a chance to have the same coverage as any of our elected officials.

All private insurance companies are in business to make a profit. A federal plan only needs to brake even so any government insurance plan will cost less to start with. I know some huge numbers are being floated around about the cost of a public plan but the truth is any private plan is going to cost far more and still not cover everyone.

Republicans have claimed private insurance companies could control costs better than a government plan but the truth is private insurers have no incentive to do so. In fact they have incentive to do just the opposite. All companies work on a cost plus mark up percentage. With insurance companies the higher there costs the more money there mark up brings in. Quite simply higher health care costs mean bigger profits for insurance companies and that means insurance executives get huge bonuses for nothing more than not trying to control costs.

So for me I can't wait for a public option. Yes I'm willing to pay my fair share of the cost of this new program. After all it's not a tax increase. It's a decrease in my insurance bill.

-- Posted by oldbaldone on Thu, Nov 5, 2009, at 7:59 PM

Check this out. http://www.opm.gov/insure/health This is what Congress gets for health care insurance. It sure does not look like the Healthcare Plan being proposed. I would be interested in knowing where you have found that Congress would use the Free Healthcare Program. I think everyone agrees that we need some reform. 60 minutes had a great story on a few weeks back that addresses the amount for fraud going on in our system. Fix that and you'll have much cheaper insurance premiums. That is one suggestion of many that would bring the costs down. Tort reform would be another. There are other ways to encourage people to buy health insurance. #1. Do not allow them bankruptcy protection for medical related expenses.

-- Posted by beararms4ever on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 12:48 PM

That is sad. A lot of people go bankrupt from medical expenses even though they DID have insurance.

-- Posted by AimeeClark on Fri, Nov 6, 2009, at 1:33 PM

I won't be for any bill that makes it mandatory for people to carry health insurance. It is bad enough that people are unemployed, but now we are going to jail them or fine them because they aren't buying insurance? How much more can people do?

-- Posted by Molly Weasley on Wed, Nov 11, 2009, at 8:12 AM

There's a huge difference between coverage and treatment. Vital, cutting edge treatments which may or may not be covered under your private insurance plans would still exist and be available under the present system. Under Obamacare, those newest treatments will not be available to the public AT ALL. Of course, congress and other government officials will have access to the finest medical treatment on Earth, which is why they won't give up their guaranteed health care.

House Speaker Pelosi has said fines on people for not having health care is "fair" - an emotionally charged concept often used by liberals and Marxists to get what they want. Anyone who loves liberty should recoil in horror at the very idea the federal government can force private citizens to purchase anything - inevitably with regulatory strings attached; What's in your fridge? What's your lifestyle? Do you exercise? Do you own firearms? What kind of car do you drive? If it's not "Obama-agenda friendly", the "enforcer" will be the IRS. It will have far greater power over your personal life. And if that's not scary enough, Former Sec. of Labor under Clinton Robert Reich told a Berkely, CA audience the current healthcare proposals will require young people pay more and will let the elderly who are very sick die. It's all about dollars and cents and your worth as an individual to the state. Quality of life trumps sanctity of life. That point will become crystal clear when they get around to rationing healthcare - and someone you really care about winds up dead. Sorry, but that's the socialist utopia Iowans voted for when they chose Barack Obama and Tom Harkin to take care of things behind closed doors. And my, they're certainly taking care of us, aren't they?

-- Posted by frostbite23 on Thu, Nov 12, 2009, at 12:51 PM

Congress, agree on one healthcare reform each quarter. Pass it or vote it down. Wait 90 days and bring ONE more component. In 3 years we will have real change that we all agree to.

-- Posted by guitarman on Tue, Nov 17, 2009, at 9:59 PM

If congress thinks they can do this healthcare thing so well, why didn't they just expand/extend eligibilty for MEDICARE to the masses??? They've been working on 'fixing' medicare for decades. They need to stay out of the healthcare industry. Open up enrollment in the existing plan or in the state-run medicaid plans and get the damm illegals and their offspring and the unwed-live-off-the-government moms off the dole - THAT might work.

-- Posted by SpencerAlumni77 on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, at 12:28 PM

to old bald one - where do you get the insight into what the Dems are trying to do? They can't even decide on a plan themselves. The Senate doesn't want the bill that the House passed, or else they would have voted on it by now. Instead, they are changing every aspect of what has been handed them. If they were all trying to do the same thing that you claim - this should have been passed a long time ago. The fact is that the Democrats are arguing over everything in the bill. I have not seen ONE copy of a plan that is similar to what the president and congress has. They do not pay a penny for their coverage. If they (Democrats AND Republicans) would start to pay their fair share as citizens of this country and not elitists, we would be better off. I am surprised that you are ok with letting another generation or two pay "your fair share" How generous of you -- NOT!

-- Posted by read me on Fri, Nov 20, 2009, at 7:38 AM

Fining people for not having insurance?? Hmmm, sounds like the state highway department to me.

-- Posted by jusamom on Tue, Dec 8, 2009, at 10:50 PM


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Anything at all. I was raised on the same farm on which my dad was born. My parents still live there today. I graduated from Eastwood High in 1987 and from Eastern Wyoming College with a degree in Criminal Justice in 1989. I married Randy 19 long years ago and we have 6 children ranging in age from 3 to 18 years old. I have worked numerous jobs from detassling as a teenager, a legal secretary in California, church secretary in Iowa to a daycare provider now. I love being outside and hate doing women stuff inside. I would rather mow the lawn than do dishes or change the tire on my van than sort socks. I am patriotic, opinionated and sometimes loud. I am also a great mom, good friend and I love to laugh - I did marry Randy. I believe in common sense versus reading a book by some "expert". I don't pretend to have all the answers but I am willing to ask the questions that others are afraid to ask and sometimes to my detriment say the things that others only think about saying. I try to avoid confrontation but sometimes it finds me and almost all the time it is necessary to stimulate communication.
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